Interview by Alexander Laurence
4 is one of the originators of the New York scene.
The Brooklyn-based quintet Radio 4 began in 1999
as the trio with Anthony Roman (bass/ vocals), Tommy
Williams (guitar) and Greg Collins (drums). They
all grew up as participants of the Long Island hardcore
scene. In the 1990s, they gravitated to the city.
A band that would
bring reggae, punk and dance music together, Radio 4 felt trapped by the limitations of indie
rock of the early 90's.
They were initially inspired by the 1970s punk
explosion, and named themselves after a Public
Image. They were interested in the rhythms, much
like bands like The Clash and Gang of Four. All
those elements had left the serious indie rock
Their first album was called The New Song and Dance
(2000). This record caught on with a small group
of listeners who liked the DJ scene, dub reggae,
and post-punk music. Anthony Roman soon opened
a record store called "Somethin' Else"
in Brooklyn. They released the "Dance To The Underground"
EP (2000). The single would be used in a Mitsubishi
In 2002, Radio 4 hooked up with the DFA production duo for their
second album, Gotham (2002). It was recorded
before 9/11, but was all about the changes in
the city. The band got noticed and played many
shows with other bands in the New York Scene.
They added two members P. J. O'Conner (drums)
and Gerard Garone ((keyboards). Radio 4 soon toured
Europe and the UK and their audience grew. But
at the same time, they had to deal with being
Most of that feeling is dealt with on the new
album, Stealing Of A Nation (2004). Songs like
"Party Crashers" and "Transmission"
are some of their best yet. Radio 4 is a band
on the rise. I got to talk to keyboardist Gerard
Garone right before their tour with the Libertines
had got underway. Radio 4 and The Libertines will
be playing New York at Webster hall on October
AL: How did you all meet each other?
Gerard: The rest of the band knew each other
in the punk rock scene in New York. Radio 4 used
to play at this club in the East Village called
Brownies. I used to work there. I became friend
with them and then joined the band.
AL: You worked at Brownies in the heyday?
Gerard: Yes, I was there in the heyday. Brownies
was the CBGB's on the late 1990s.
AL: many of these bands that you would associate
with the New York Scene got their start at Luna
Lounge and Brownies.
Gerard: Yeah. For the most part, those places,
and Mercury Lounge and Don Hill's. Everybody has
played Brownies at some point in their careers.
AL: When did you join Radio 4?
Gerard: I joined them about three years ago.
There are five of us.
AL: Why are you called Radio 4?
Gerard: It comes from a song by Public Image
Limited. It's on Metal Box.
AL: Have you had any problems with the name?
Gerard: We have had no problems with the BBC's
Radio 4. Nobody has tried to sue us yet.
AL: What do you think about all this attention
on New York bands?
Gerard: Yeah. I think that the attention that
New York has gotten for a majority of the bands
is well deserved. There is a lot of quality music
that has come out in the past five years. It's
pretty well founded. Some of these bands are getting
attention and it is my hometown. I am always glad
to see that.
AL: Have you done a lot of American tours?
Gerard: Yeah, we have done a lot of American
tours. We have also been in Europe a lot. We have
probably spent more time over there than here
in America. The tour with The Libertines is one
of the bigger ones we have done here.
AL: What other bands have you played with?
Gerard: We have toured a lot. We have played
with a lot of bands. We got to open for Joe Strummer
six months before he died. He did a lot of shows
in New York. It was just huge to open up for someone
like him. That was the most memorable show. We
have played a lot of festivals. In those situations
you end up playing with bands that you love. We
played with Primal Scream and PJ Harvey.
AL: How do you write songs on the new album?
Gerard: It works indifferent ways. There are
ideas that we put together in the rehearsal space.
There was stuff created in the studio. There are
songs that are from demos that people created
at home. There is no set way we write songs in
the band. Whatever way it comes from that is where
it comes from. People all come sin with set ideas.
AL: You all write together?
Gerard: Yeah. For the most part. The way it works
is pretty democratic. This is the first record
where I worked with the band, so it was new for
me. They let me bring in ideas.
AL: Are there any other bands that you all like?
Gerard: There are tons. We like Bob Dylan, Neil
Young, and the list is endless. I am really into
Latin Music. Me and Anthony are into dance music.
It is vast.
AL: What is the general reaction to your music?
Gerard: People have strong reactions to our music.
It's music that people either love or hate. There
hasn't been a lot of "it's okay."
AL: On the new record there is a lot of Dub Reggae
music. Do you like that music?
Gerard: We are all big Dub Reggae fans. That
seeped into the new record a little bit.
AL: You have a song called "Fra Type I &
II": what is that about?
Gerard: Tommy Williams wrote that song. He doesn't
like to talk about his songs. I can't help you
out on that one.
AL: Anthony writes all the lyrics?
Gerard: No, Anthony and Tommy write all the lyrics.
AL: Is their any shared politics in the band?
Gerard: Yeah. We are all pretty left wing politically.
There are issues that we differ on. I tend to
be the most left-wing member of the group. Politically
we are coming from the same place.
AL: No one is voting for George Bush any time
Gerard: I am not a big fan at all.
AL: What do you think about the election coming
Gerard: It is probably one of the most important
elections the country has ever seen. I think that
the voter turnout will be higher than ever. At
least I hope that it is. For a lot of people who
haven't voted in the past, this is their chance.
In New York, being as Democratic as it is, you
can just see the hatred for George Bush everyday.
You see it on the street. People wear t-shirt
and pins. There are banners everywhere. There
is a lot of hatred for George Bush. It's very
anti-Bush in New York City.
AL: What is your favorite part about doing music.
Gerard: I like writing songs and recording. It's
better than touring. I am not a big fan of touring.
I love playing shows every night, but there is
something more satisfying and exciting about creating
something and documenting it.
AL: Who is the most indispensable member of Radio
Gerard: Probably Anthony. He started the band.
If he left Radio 4, the band would cease to exist.
AL: Were you in New York during 9/11?
Gerard: I was. It was by far the weirdest thing
I have ever seen in my life. I live in Brooklyn
and I can see the Towers from my block. It's the
only thing I can see from Manhattan. I live in
Greenpoint. At the time I lived in Williamsburg.
At the time my girlfriend worked next door at
the World Financial Building. She used to walk
through the lobby of the WTC everyday. So for
hours I didn't know where she was. Some of the
members of the bands lost some close friends.
It was an awful day. It seemed like at that time
people would come together. New York had the sympathy
of the world. George Bush just took that and threw
it in everyone's face. Now we have a general hatred
AL: Since you are playing with another band inspired
by The Clash like the Libertines I think it is
interesting: The Libertines sound more like The
Clash on their first album, and Radio 4 is closer
to the spirit of Sandinista or London Calling.
Gerard: Yeah, that's a pretty fair assessment.
AL: What is your setlist like on this tour?
Gerard: It's a mixture of stuff from Gotham and
the new record. It's half and half. Anthony writes
out the setlist. It's fine because it's not something
I would want to do.
AL: So you just look at the list and think "Party
Crashers is next, let's play it!"
Gerard: Yeah. There are songs like "Party
Crashers" that are in the set every night.
We always play "Dance To The Underground."
AL: Have you read any good books?
Gerard: Right now I am reading Motherless Brooklyn
by Jonathan Lethem. I am also reading The Power
of Myth. It is an amazing book. I recommend everyone
to read it on the planet.
AL: Do you have any favorite films?
Gerard: Yeah. I like Down By Law by Jim Jarmusch.
That is my all time favorite film. I like the
gang movie The Warriors.
AL: Will Radio 4 ever do a musical version of
Gerard: I don't think that will ever happen.
The Warriors was done already. Nobody should touch
it. Definitely not. West Side Story has already
AL: Do you still have regular jobs?
Gerard: I just quit my job. I was a bartender.
Anthony owns a record store. It's called Somethin'
Else and it's in Park Slope, Brooklyn.
AL: If people want to come down to Park Slope
and buy the new Radio 4 record they can go to
AL: How many shows have you played with Radio
Gerard: In the past three years close to six
hundred. We took off some time to do the new record.
AL: What are you doing the rest of the year?
Gerard: We are touring the whole rest of the
year. We are going over to Europe again at the
end of October. We'll see what happens after that.
New records and new tours.
AL: What should young people be doing if they
want to start a band?
Gerard: Going back to school. That is what you
should be doing. Before I joined a band it is
nothing I thought it would be. It is not the glamorous
lifestyle I thought it was when I was younger.
It's a lot of hard work involved. You have to
be really dedicated to want to do this. It's not
hard labor, but it's physically taxing. It's hard
to be not at home and constantly on the road.
I love it. I have a love/hate relationship with
AL: Touring is very hard.
Gerard: Yeah. I am not a young kid anymore. I
am 29 years old and I am getting older. I like
the comfort of my own bed and shower.
AL: You don't sleep a lot on the road?
Gerard: You do but it's never good sleep. You
never get a good night's sleep ever.
AL: You end up passing out because you haven't
slept for three days.
Gerard: Exactly. You wind up passing out rather
than going to sleep. We drink a lot on the road.
There is not much else to do.